I learned the hard way. Dad took me out in the middle of a 65 acre field, gave me a set of keys and said drive! And do not let me find out you were on the road! Then he did the same to my 15year old brother. We had great times racing around that field. But you know what...when we were all done, "both" of us knew how to handle our vehicles and how not to push them to far. Then he took me in for the "test"! Dang... don't think I've ever seen a field that big. ! We have too many mountains in the way.

This was sort of like a hillside. You had to watch coming down or you'd be too fast for the corner at the bottom. "Luckily" neither of us ever flipped or rolled our vehicles. Although god knows we could have and walked away unhurt. Mine was a 1955 DeSoto Fireflight and my brothers was a 1961 Chevy Biscayne wagon. Although I can remember some horrific spins and slids.

don't think permits matter much, and is a non issue for me, considering all you have to prove to get a permit, is show up and prove you are breathing. I had to buy my own car to learn in, and my parents took me in the country to teach me. After I got licenced my boyfriend at the time took me out in the country and taught me how to drive a manual.

I don't know where you get your permits but I had to pass a written test to get mine. I remember this because I failed twice. They want to know that you at least know the basics before they say it's okay to learn to "drive" on our roads. Notice I said drive. That's why the testing. You need to know your signs, etc...

I don't think he is criminally responcable, but finacially yes. I do think he should have to pay for the young mothers funeral, and establish a fund for the infants future. Putting him in jail/prison would serve no purpose whatsoever, especially since he was making an effort to stop the car. The daughter should get comunity service, and be required to help her father make said payments to the family. She should do at least some of her CS time in an orphanage or assisting other children like the infant that she took the mother from, and not allowed to get her license till age 18 or even 21, with proffessional drivers ed teachers, and she will need theripy. Again, I don't think prison/jail time would serve any purpose for her either.

Legally speaking both fathers put themselves in a bind. By allowing the kids to drive "without" a permit did that. Check the laws where you live. But here in PA you are BOTH LEGALLY and financially responsible when you take a learners permit driver out on the road. Let them do something wrong and get a ticket....who gets the ticket? That's right the "licenced" driver does!

I don't know where you get your permits but I had to pass a written test to get mine. I remember this because I failed twice.

In Maine you have to pass a test to get the permit too.

As I said earlier, NH doesn't require a permit. A teen driver may take to the roads (in a car with a licensed driver over the age of 21) six months prior to their 16th birthday -- can you say "yikes??" I watched a special on Dateline (or one of those news programs) that stated the part of the brain that determines judgment and reflexes isn't fully developed until age 21. Talk about a scary documentary. I made the kid sit and watch it with me... full of statistics about how reckless teen drivers can be... and the deadly consequences that can result.

She had her first accident (minor - not involving anyone else) two weeks later. Guess some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

In Maine you have to pass a test to get the permit too. As I said earlier, NH doesn't require a permit. A teen driver may take to the roads (in a car with a licensed driver over the age of 21) six months prior to their 16th birthday -- can you say "yikes??"

"Yikes" is not quite the word that I personally would choose to use. There are other better descriptive terms. But "yikes" will do since we're in mixed company.

I don't know where you get your permits but I had to pass a written test to get mine. I remember this because I failed twice. They want to know that you at least know the basics before they say it's okay to learn to "drive" on our roads. Notice I said drive. That's why the testing. You need to know your signs, etc...

Nebraska. I still have that permit, of course, it's long since invalid for anything anymore *L* I have had a licence now for 11 yrs. I had the flu the day I got the permit, my dad took me in there, all sick, showed them my birth certificate, filled out the form, all I did was sign and stand for the flash. And there it was, my drivers permit 2 days after my 15th birthday.

The only ones that have to test are the 14 yr olds with school permits, and at 16 for the licence, but now there is a TON more paper work associated with the licence, but still not the permits.

Legally speaking both fathers put themselves in a bind. By allowing the kids to drive "without" a permit did that. Check the laws where you live. But here in PA you are BOTH LEGALLY and financially responsible when you take a learners permit driver out on the road. Let them do something wrong and get a ticket....who gets the ticket? That's right the "licenced" driver does!

I was giving an opinion, not a legal fact. And I was only talking about the currently posted one, where the baby was tossed to saftey by the mother before she died.

Question, do you mean CRIMINALLY instead of Legally? Since the financial obligation would be a legal obligation... allong with the CS, and other various punishments I was talking about. Besides, As I said before, what perpose does it serve for either of them to be in prison? It was an accident, dispite that peice of plastic saying she could drive with an adult, the plastic wouldn't have changed a thing. It's not like they are going to do it again, or don't regret profusly what happened..... Does anyone even know what the family of the young mother wants done? If THEY think it was a tragic accident or Manslaughter? I think they should have at least some say in it.

Question, do you mean CRIMINALLY instead of Legally?

He's been charged with involuntary manslaughter and vehicular homicide. I was asking if he should be convicted.

Does anyone even know what the family of the young mother wants done? If THEY think it was a tragic accident or Manslaughter? I think they should have at least some say in it.

The mother of the woman who was killed blames the father, but feels for their family as well.

Quote: "Elizabeth McGinley blames Richard Miller for her daughter's death, saying that he never should have allowed a 15-year-old untrained driver behind the wheel. However, she also feels sorry for Miller's daughter. 'I kind of feel sorry for her because I feel her life's been ruined, too,' she said."

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